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but Democrats vowed they still would find a way to force President Bush to change course in a war that has claimed the lives of more than 3,000 U.S. troops

"We must heed the results of the November elections and the wishes of the American people,

"The American people do not support escalation. Last November, voters made it clear they want a change of course, not more of the same,"


this has got to be an example of "give a man an inch and he'll want a mile". Democrats were elected in a very VERY slim slim slim majority, this doesnt set any "precedent" or "declare the mindset of the American people".
worst of all is the "we'll find a way" idea, thats not how the government was designed to work. in fact its created diametrically opposed to this idea, a small majority should not express a lot of power.
Frankly Dems are becoming both imperialistic and ambitious at an alarming rate. They are alarmingly naive for people supposed to run the government (thank god the victory wasnt a landslide)
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Reply #51 from Sins Forums Top
Ahahahah... i laugh at the fact that you used Intelligent and president in the same sentance.

The real power lies in Congress, the presidency has only gained more power than Congress during the Jacksonian Era, and the Progressive Era, read your history   

As for power over war, the president does have the right to send troops to any place he wishes to. But, to make a war a real war, Congress must approve a declaration. Otherwise, its just a millitary monuever.
Reply #52 from Sins Forums Top
the presidency has only gained more power than Congress during the Jacksonian Era, and the Progressive Era, read your history

and realize what I'm saying

the president doesnt ahve "more" power, just different power. Congress does not belong dictating war.
But, to make a war a real war, Congress must approve a

did you miss the part where they did make the declaration? they approve and then they get the hell out of his way.
of course they refuse to now.
i laugh at the fact that you used Intelligent and president in the same sentance

laugh all you want, he knows what he's doing

our economy is strong as ever, and his policy decisions are usually dead on. people make fun of him just because of his accent.
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Reply #53 from Sins Forums Top
Our economy is as strong as ever!!

Were still lossing jobs, how do you call that strong.
Reply #54 from Sins Forums Top
Were still lossing jobs, how do you call that strong

Between china and the EU what do you expect? its not any failing on our part, rather global competition.
Reply #55 from Sins Forums Top
Thank you for once admitting something. Why do you think companies are giving away jobs to other countries.

One reason, their people will do the same stuff our citizens will, but for a lot less(Asia + CA). Or they are actually more qualified (europe).

I have actually seen some of the world, and I like it better out there. People are actually friendly, even if they dont know you.
Reply #56 from Sins Forums Top
Or they are actually more qualified (europe).

no
One reason, their people will do the same stuff our citizens will, but for a lot less(Asia + CA)

yes

actually jobs are not going to Europe (more qualified my ass), Europe isn't absorbing the jobs. they are just creating more companies and internalizing their market, making profits more difficult for us to make in the system. China, on the other hand, is taking our undereducated jobs.
Reply #57 from Sins Forums Top
I still think that the European system is better. My only reason being is that I am still relearning things here only after 5 years there.

Undereduacted jobs?

Your calling engineers and programmers and bankers undereducated?
Reply #58 from Sins Forums Top
Your calling engineers and programmers and bankers undereducated

we aren't loosing those. if anything we are still gaining these.
I still think that the European system is better. My only reason being is that I am still relearning things here only after 5 years there

and the same thing would have happened in reverse.
why? because they teach differently there. we teach more in depth and specific whereas (from what I heard) Europe teaches broadly and with a larger emphasis on the social studies and intricacies of language

neither one truly produces better results, they just produce different results.
Reply #59 from Sins Forums Top
I dont know, but right now in Pre-Calc I am learning things I knew in 6th grade, thats kind of sad

And no duh they have to emphasise on language, the continent is more divided than this one

And as for the engineering jobs, tell that to two of my friends dads who just had their jobs outsourced. One to a Mexico the other to an India.

Reply #60 from Sins Forums Top
I dont know, but right now in Pre-Calc I am learning things I knew in 6th grade, thats kind of sad

math is a complex subject. there are a thousand ways to teach one thing. there isn't any surprise here.
And no duh they have to emphasise on language, the continent is more divided than this one

and thats in inneficiency in the system
And as for the engineering jobs, tell that to two of my friends dads who just had their jobs outsourced. One to a Mexico the other to an India.

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I'm going to reserve comment. Mexico and india have very small engineering markets, so...
well.
Reply #61 from Sins Forums Top
Hah, I wont that last arguement

And Ill add a little more, tell me why its still so hard for our people to find jobs. If our economy is supposedly so strong, why is it that perfectly qualified citizens have to find jobs that are completely different from what they were educated for.
Go ahead tell me.

And as for math. Its is probably one of the only things consistent throughout the world. Another country doesnt just come up with other ways to teach it, no. There is a set number of formulas and equations that are accepted. Sure you can teach in a different order, but thats pretty much it.
Reply #62 from Sins Forums Top
And Ill add a little more, tell me why its still so hard for our people to find jobs

EU inbinding, immigration and population growth
and I dont see 4.5% unemp a huge issue (its not the educated jobs that we're losing)
why is it that perfectly qualified citizens have to find jobs that are completely different from what they were educated for.

I'm saying thats not happening for the most part. I haven't heard of this anywhere, except with your single testament.
this would be front row center of every news outlet if it was an issue.
And as for math. Its is probably one of the only things consistent throughout the world. Another country doesnt just come up with other ways to teach it, no. There is a set number of formulas and equations that are accepted. Sure you can teach in a different order, but thats pretty much it.

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this is just... wow...
math is a complex interweaving and MASSIVE subject, there are many many different ways that vary not just from country to country, but from school to school. there is no surprise that your relearning things, if you WERENT relearning things I would depressed at the state of affairs in EU, because you would have an elementary school education at best.

and if so was true, why do we have Princeton MIT and Caltech? they're the best schools in the world.

I mean, just look at this list
Shanghai Jiao Tong University Ranking
2 of the top 10 are UK (rest are US) and the US dominancy extends a good bit down the line
Reply #63 from Sins Forums Top
Um duh, lets see the UK only needs to support 50 million people, you guys have to educate 300 million. I think that their 2 to your 8 is actually quite an equal ratio.

As for math, its the same throught the world. DeMorgans laws are still DeMorgans laws, the fact that a hyperbola is infinite doesnt change just because it was drawn in France. Sure there a multitudes of ways to teach it but usually you learn the same thing, in the same way, the only differance I have every seen were terms and letters.
Reply #64 from Sins Forums Top
Um duh, lets see the UK only needs to support 50 million people, you guys have to educate 300 million. I think that their 2 to your 8 is actually quite an equal ratio.

I'm not saying that the EU has an issue with unemployment, its only got issues slightly larger than ours

and its not "8/2" its something more like "8/14" which comes out about equal, with a slight bit more unemployment in EU.
Unemployment rates note how most of the EU's countries are below americas

also note that a certain unemployment rate (around 4.5%) is healthy for a growing, capitalist economy.
As for math, its the same throught the world. DeMorgans laws are still DeMorgans laws, the fact that a hyperbola is infinite doesnt change just because it was drawn in France.

way to miss what I was arguing
Sure there a multitudes of ways to teach it but usually you learn the same thing, in the same way, the only differance I have every seen were terms and letters.

Your arguement is bunk, in every school you cross over past material in every year so that you can pass on to the next. as for "learning the same things" yes, you learn the same things. but you dont learn all the same things. if you think math can be done linearly, with everyone following the same exact pathway, like learning history from past time A to present time B than you are wrong in so many ways.
Reply #65 from Sins Forums Top
Way to argue about something that I didnt even mean. The first comment was concerning education.

And my original math comment was about age. Why would one country teach a student something early on, while another one teaches the same thing but several years latter. Why?
All it does is put students here way behind students in other countries. And no, dont even try to argue this point, because whatever you throw at me I could deny for two reason. One I have the benifit of experience, two I have actually read books that have compared the two education systems. And even though this one has its benifits, it is starting to fall behind.
Reply #66 from Sins Forums Top
Way to argue about something that I didnt even mean. The first comment was concerning education

your first comment made no sense...
Why would one country teach a student something early on, while another one teaches the same thing but several years latter. Why?

it doesnt, I've already clarified that for you
All it does is put students here way behind students in other countries. And no, dont even try to argue this point, because whatever you throw at me I could deny for two reason

then how about proof. we have the greatest education system via the link I've already shown you.
we wouldn't have the best colleges in the world if we didnt have the best students to go along.
One I have the benifit of experience, two I have actually read books that have compared the two education systems.

what did you say you were on that other thread? 14?
as for books, they dont give you anything useful. you cant write a book about a system so simply
And even though this one has its benifits, it is starting to fall behind.

your proof?

And also tell me why you incessantly attack America in false faults? you seem to have some sort of welled up hatred, or at least some bias of some sort. all I've seen is "this that and some more" about how america sucks, but no proof except "trust me" "my friends parents" and "I read books".

I'm getting kindof irrate at this cyclical nonsense.
Reply #67 from Sins Forums Top
I repeat myself I have actually experienced at least three different education system. I have actually traveled the world. I have actually seen other cultures and other places, and most importantely I have actually seen the issues that plague. Starvation, genocide, war.

You on the other hand have probably been stuck inside the same town or city your entire life.

Sure this system has its benifits, and I like the amount of choice it gives me. But, I do think that some of it still needs refiment.

One thing this country is doing is setting more requirements. This is the wrong way to go. I mean sure you need science and math, but what happens to those without any interest in the subject. What happens to those who arent good enough. They fail, and then they become societies problem.
Reply #68 from Sins Forums Top

I repeat myself I have actually experienced at least three different education system. I have actually traveled the world. I have actually seen other cultures and other places, and most importantely I have actually seen the issues that plague. Starvation, genocide, war.

You on the other hand have probably been stuck inside the same town or city your entire life.

Sure this system has its benifits, and I like the amount of choice it gives me. But, I do think that some of it still needs refiment.

One thing this country is doing is setting more requirements. This is the wrong way to go. I mean sure you need science and math, but what happens to those without any interest in the subject. What happens to those who arent good enough. They fail, and then they become societies problem.


people need to worry about themselves more and less about what society can do for them...
Reply #69 from Sins Forums Top
Actually I always hope that one day it would be the other way around. That we would look for our fellow citizen for help, and then in turn help someone else. Rather than spend our time on our own compelete self improvement.
Reply #70 from Sins Forums Top
I repeat myself I have actually experienced at least three different education system. I have actually traveled the world. I have actually seen other cultures and other places, and most importantely I have actually seen the issues that plague. Starvation, genocide, war

which plague?
what genocide?
which war?
your still giving up false qualifications as if you had authority on the education system. let me repeat; you dont have the qualifications to testify on that behalf.
One thing this country is doing is setting more requirements. This is the wrong way to go. I mean sure you need science and math, but what happens to those without any interest in the subject. What happens to those who arent good enough. They fail, and then they become societies problem

did you just do a 180 on me...
what was this called again... "La Chorando" syndrome? "It's an American problem"?
which country (remind me, my memory is faulty) is the one thats succeeding as the world power. which country is advancing the quickest and which country is the world's most advanced?
let me tell you; Europe isn't on any of those, even if you stretch your mind to immagine those 15something countries as "one"
That we would look for our fellow citizen for help, and then in turn help someone else. Rather than spend our time on our own compelete self improvement.

and thats why socialism fails. you hope for too much.
people need to worry about themselves more and less about what society can do for them...

good man kosc, capitalist to the end (whether or not you like it)
Reply #71 from Sins Forums Top
Which war?
Well I wasnt there directly but I was in Iraq before the whole thing started.

Which plague?
I wasnt talking about mass starvation, just starvation. Ever been to Africa?

What genocide?
How about the one in Darfur right now. See what I really dont get is how this supposedly great country goes back on its promises. You guys promised that no more genocide would occur as long as you remained a world power. And now you are letting a government with an economy smaller than that of Vermont kill hundreds of thousands of people and displace millions more.

You arent the most advanced. Your transportation system is becoming outdate, your public health care system is strugling, your government is becoming heavy with internal battles of greed. And oh yes, education and the fact that every single private company sells away their inventions to everyone, meaning your not much better than anyone else.
Trust me America is starting to become more of a rathole of greed, than a land of pormise


Reply #72 from Sins Forums Top
Which war?
Well I wasnt there directly but I was in Iraq before the whole thing started.

Which plague?
I wasnt talking about mass starvation, just starvation. Ever been to Africa?

What genocide?
How about the one in Darfur right now. See what I really dont get is how this supposedly great country goes back on its promises. You guys promised that no more genocide would occur as long as you remained a world power. And now you are letting a government with an economy smaller than that of Vermont kill hundreds of thousands of people and displace millions more.

I dont see you under any of those conditions. and as you just said, Iraq wasn't at war when you were there.
so dont criticize my lack of experience, you've just seen the world. you haven't seen the world.

as for promises, well, we had a naive president. how the hell were we supposed to do that eh? we cant. simple as that.
You arent the most advanced. Your transportation system is becoming outdate, your public health care system is strugling, your government is becoming heavy with internal battles of greed. And oh yes, education and the fact that every single private company sells away their inventions to everyone, meaning your not much better than anyone else

I'm sorry, but having shinier railways means nothing.
as for the health care system? cry me a river. and then move to the netherlands, you can go to college for free!
as for our education system, its still the world's best. period
and finally as for companies, we are the CEO of the world. its how we work.
Trust me America is starting to become more of a rathole of greed, than a land of pormise

you dont see the beauty of it. do you?
it has to be both to be either.
Reply #73 from Sins Forums Top
you've just seen the world. you haven't seen the world.


Wow, you DO love contradicting yourself

And to the rest of you coments.... riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
Reply #74 from Sins Forums Top
Wow, you DO love contradicting yourself

let me do it with emphasis notations
you've just (emphasis) seen (end emphasis) the world. you haven't seen the (emphasis) world (end emphasis).
that clarify?
And to the rest of you coments.... riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

your damn straight I am.
its not that I dislike the EU, of all things I think they are a great group of overidealized nations with a good philosophy behind them.
what I dont like is that they are non-practical, and that they are the jack of all trades, where as the US is the King of most.
Reply #75 from Sins Forums Top
you've just (emphasis) seen (end emphasis) the world. you haven't seen the (emphasis) world (end emphasis).
that clarify?


And you have?
Let me guess, through the computer screen, correct?
Or wait the TV?
Man, why didnt I think of that?
I guess your just to smart for me