The Shopacolypse

Allow me to support this attack. The only way to get wealthy in a capitalist society is to exploit millions of people in third world countries. Those people usually die too...

show me a country that isnt in debt

show me a country where people usually dont die

Haha, of course we aren't dealing with absolutes here people.

Its not like I'm out to crush capatalism or something.

nooooo, you can SURELY have capitalism in an imperium!

besides, you can always get rich by finding some new way to get people porn and sex!

Indeed.

Oh well, back to the Soviet Union with me.

good, maybe they'll give you command of their space fleet and I can singlehandedly crush you in head to head combat!

PFFT! Since when does Russia have money?

We have the money, its just all laundered away by our politicians. The creepy thing is we would rather have that then democracy. According to recent polls over 80% of Russians want more censorship and over 60% treasure material stability over the freedom of speech and press.

and by politicians you mean the mob. of course.

I just have to bash on the PETA-ish nature of this comment. its very much along the lines of "free the animals! let them live in the wild where they belong!". of course I dont intend to draw parallels of people to animals, but the main issue you need to focus on is the fact that:
1) agricultural life is probably just as dangerous and
2) certainly does not pay as well. you think these people were chain and whipped into working for 60c an hour? no, they thank god they get that much. in most cases.

People Eat Tasty Animals?

Capitalist pigs are tasty...END CANNIBAL PERSECUTION!

Relativism doesn't really help when goods and services are way too expensive for these people anyway. Some move up to being middle-class but most of them continue working in crappy jobs their entire life just to sustain themselves.

It seems it'll all work itself out though. In my view, completely free trade only works as a win/win situation when everyone's a developing nation and you can harness the competitive advantage of each player in the economy. We're getting there very, very slowly. In fact, the current world situation is almost like a competitive advantage situation: the Third World is best at creating population growth (something developed nations lack) and we have the capital to sustain them.

it does help, its just not a great help


the important thing to keep in mind is that coka cola is not a slave dealer. these people take these jobs because they pay relatively well.

Things that are produced in any of the undeveloped countries are sold for three times the cost here, and things produced here are sold for ten times the cost there. In the end its only the corporations that truely benifit.

Plus, free trade is destroying world culture. The corporations who manage to sell their goods abroad do not spend the time to blend and integrate their products to the culture of the consumer. Instead the spend their time and money bombarding undeveloped countries with advertisements of the glamour of western countries.

If globalization is to rob the world blind of its cultural herritage and enslave the easily influenced populations of undeveloped countries then I may just become isolationist.

Vote Yor for the election in 2008.



Or there is no other alternative.

you're naivite and blind following of illogical, far far left wing propoganda is beginning to rail on me. if you cannot keep a logical thought in your head for more than a few seconds you aren't worth debating with.

How is this a reply to his point? Granted, it might be not a completely original point, but resorting to OMG U R TEH LIBRAL TALKIN POINTS UR NOT LOGICAL I AM SO MUCH BETTER THAN YOU?

The compromise position is usually the best, and that's no different here. Pay workers in other countries fair wages (as in: what a worker would get in the U.S). That's all that needs to be done but it won't happen because there's always someone willing to do it for less.

The worst part about the whole thing is that while the people might have a chance to move into higher-paying jobs, they are constantly being subjected to terrible environmental conditions that often leave them with serious injuries or chronic disease. Another barrier to moving up the social ladder, because they either have to pay for health care or they can't work anymore.

Carbon, just an FYI, but go ask the tide to stop -- once you can convince the tide to stop, maybe you'll stand a chance at getting Schod to be less of an ah--- er, less of a donkey.

Maybe.

I understood that two months or so ago, Ron

I'm sorry, but when people start telling me that the poor are better off tilling fields than being in the factory jobs that they choose to be in, and that we actually sell expensive things that we make in these factories (like coca cola, electronics, barbie dolls) in these third world countries, I really cannot stand the stupidity. I mean GOD, thats moronic.

First off far left? Isolationism is far right Next off, I am not spewing forth any known propoganda from any political party. These are my own views.

Thirdly, I'm not saying that globalization is a bad thing, its done wonders for the world. People in Africa have acess to cheap drugs because of the amoun the drug companies earn here from stuff like viagra, food in general is much cheaper, so is water, and technology. What I'm saying is that it could be a lot more 'culture sensative'. Just because regulations are lower over seas doesn't mean that corporations should lower moral standards.

trust me, the last thing people want is their culture. take the eskimos for instance, the younger generation (15-18 yr olds) are demanding a return to "old ways" while everyone age 30+ is telling them "hell to the hell to the hell to the no".

culture is a nice thing, but its far from convinient. you cannot HOIST it on its own people, another extremely arrogant and egocentric concept.

odd, its in complete contrast to what you were saying 5 posts earlier, but at least its an improvement.

Thats because people are buying things that they can't pay for and, unfortunatly, it has become a way of life for many families. You can't spend more than you make without consequence! When will people start to realize that?

Sorry, touchy subject for me because I hate debt. I just dont see why people would go into debt for a plasma TV or anything like that. Heres an idea: "Why not save the money for it?"

Anyways, I know none of you would ever do that [go into debt for a TV that is].   

heh, my father is a financial advisor. as if I'd ever have a choice