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Thanks for the support

Thanks for the support

With regards to my recent rant about hatemail getting me down...

All I can say is: Wow. Thanks for the support. I really do appreciate it. 

I'd like to respond to some points and kind of illuminate some issues that are only partially touched on:

1) WinCustomize finances.  WinCustomize loses money. A staggering amount of money.  Some say Stardock needs WinCustomize.  That's really not true. deviantART or some other site would definitely be up to the challenge of being the "official" site for Stardock's skins and themes.  Microsoft, for instance, doesn't even have a skin library for Windows Media Player.

So why do we have a skin site? Because we love skinning and customization.  You always have to wonder what someone is possibly thinking when they start talking about "greed".  Do they really think there is "big bucks" to be made changing the bitmaps of your title bars and Start bar?  We're proud to say that we can make a living on it.  But no one is going to be buying a private plane any time soon!

We love being able to do neat things to our comptuers. It's as simple as that. And like many of you, we like to share what we do with others. We all do that in different ways. Hence, WinCustomize exists.  Hopefully, down the line, we can get the site to being self-sustaining.  It inches closer to being self-sustaining each year. And hopefully WinCustomize 4 will be even better at that.

2) People, myself included, have scaling problems. It's hard to envision the impact of having nearly 3 million different people visit your site each month.  There are about 1.4 million registered accounts here. 

The problem with hate mail (90% of the nasty stuff I see is sent to me via email or forwarded to me one way or the other) is that it doesn't take very much to have quite an impact.  I personally get around 900 to 1200 email each day.  3/4ths of which is spam. But that still leaves 200 to 300 email each day I have to go through.  Out of those 200 to 300 email probably about 5 are from unhappy people.  Out of the 30 to 40 unhappy users emailing me each week, probably only 5 or 6 are really really nasty. 

It's just a matter of build up though.  How many emails or posts or whatevers over an extended period of time does it take before something isn't as fun as it used to be?

Many of you are skinners.  Imagine if you're a good skinner and you've spent 5 years giving away great skins for free. But you also have a couple of premium skins out there that you charge a nominal fee for.  Intellectually, you know that you have lots of people who do appreciate your work.  But how would you feel if you got a dozen or so hate mail each week telling you how greedy you are? Or how your skins suck? Or how they're going to report you to some agency because of some error on their part?

Heck, I've had people tell me they hope I get cancer and die. Seriously.

That is the sort of thing that makes it tough.  I think the tipping point was over the weekend I got slightly more hate mail than normal. And then I come on and read a bunch of bitching about the fact that I wrote (gasp) a third article talking about the Dashboard and Konfabulator thing.  3 articles.  I mean sheesh, newspapers cover the same topics over and over again and here I was writing something that I (and other developers) found interesting and I still had people yelling that I would dare write about something *I* was interested in.

I hate that sort of thing.  If I had been in that person's shoes, I would have gone onto JoeUser.com, opened up a blog and started blogging about customization related stuff I was intereted in and then emailing to see if WinCustomize would link to that blog.  We get a pitifully low number of news submissions each week and so I decided to do the blogging thing because I wanted there to be somethign unique and interesting on WinCustomize.  I'd rather someone else create blogs (on JoeUser) that I coudl link to or quote but that's not the case so I do it myself. 

And I enjoy writing.  But sheesh, it's tough when you get an email telling you how much the game you wrote sucks, how much my opinion on software piracy is "moronic", how WindowBlinds "made them have reformat and that we better compensate him for his time or we'd get sued", and then to see someone bitch because I want to talk about what Apple is doing.

But that's the breaks when you're doing something that's seen by millions of people. And I can grasp that.  I could probably grasp that better if the pay was better. Which is the other issue, nearly everyone who sends nasty email isn't some customer (the customer complaints are the minority). It's usually someone complaining that we're charging for something or about the shareware version or about their account or their skin or their wallpaper or whatever.

I think on WC2K5 we'll definitely have to do mroe for people who are subscribers. Some cool little button along with extra features.  That's the really galling part This site gets nearly 3 MILLION uniques each month and about 200 people subscribe each month.  If 1% of people who visited subscribed, that would be 30,000.  If 0.1% people who visited subscribed that would be 3,000.  So if you're a WC subscriber, you're one of the elite elite elite elite users  (0.01%).  Just like if you're an apprentice or higher.

If we had even 0.1% of people subscribing, then WC would be easily paying for itself and I could hire someone to answer the hate mail!

 

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Reply #26 Top
Mr. Brad, and all the other folks who run this joint, here's a positive spin for you on the hate mail.....be thankful you aren't Bill Gates and Microsoft! Can you imagine how much hate mail they get????


/me says of course, being Bill Gates would have an upside!
Reply #27 Top
If I got Bill's money I would glady take his email problems too. I would also have a division of my own cyber stalkers.

Maybe thats what Brad needs. A little group of minions to do his dirty work.
Reply #28 Top
Maybe thats what Brad needs. A little group of minions to do his dirty work.


Now THAT sounds fun!! Count me in... The WC Counter-Terrorist organization..
Reply #29 Top
Bill Gates and Microsoft! Can you imagine how much hate mail they get????


Yeah! Probably enough to full a 30 GB drive a day.

The email is much easier to send a hate-gram just because they feel that receptor of hate-grams can't strike back.

I'm glad you didn't get too despaired from those hate emails.
Reply #30 Top

Bill Gates probably has people to sift through his email.  I'm not quite there yet.

Monday arrives and there's the usual slew of nasty email waiting. Demands as to why some wallpaper wasn't allowed on (no idea, I didn't moderate it), demand for a refund by a user who read one of my blogs on JoeUser.com who didn't like my opinions, usual complaints that product X doens't work well and how I should show pride in the software "I" release. Claim that WindowBlinds bundles spyware and how people like me "disgust" him.

Just a typical Monday.

It's nothing new mind you, I get these emails all the time and have for years. I usually just ignore them unless there's something particularly nasty.

The OS/2 days were even worse.  The end days anyway.  Back then, I'd get users who would demand free copies of our OS/2 programs or they'd threaten to write negative things on Usenet about our software (back then, Usenet was basically the only channel of information for OS/2 software so it was a real threat). that bugged me more than these emails.

I think the ones about the 50 megabyte limit annoy me the most still because they're all the same.  for each guy who posts about it there's probably 2 who email me something horrific.  None emailed this weekend but last week there was a dooser that talked about our greed and what not.

People seem to really think that WC is this magical marketing channel. And don't get me wrong, it does benefit Stardock to a considerable extent.  But the cost of the site exceeds the benefit gained since other sites would be glad to have Stardock point at them (Most developers don't have skin sites, TGT Soft doesn't have a skin site, it just points to themexp).

I think sometimes people don't realize that one of the things that small companies (or at least privately owned ones) can do is that they cna do things that aren't necessarily "good business".  We have this site because we really like this stuff. It's as simple as that.

Reply #31 Top
We have this site because we really like this stuff. It's as simple as that.


There you go - you finally reached the answer to your own questions
Reply #32 Top
I think you dont realise the importance of wincustomise,I would never have paid for WB and SS if not for winc.I would have just continued to use the hacked version I got off the internet.Wincustomise made me WANT to be a part of the skinning community.I was so hooked by the site and the people here that I felt it was a betrayal to the community not to buy it.Wincustomise turned me into a skinner,not Stardock.I come here every day because the people here are into Stardock.Not just windows customisation in general.
I would bet most of your detractors are people who cant run their antivirus properly,much less keep a pc running correctly.
To the ones that say your greedy....get real!(bite me was what I really meant)
Reply #33 Top
Wincustomise made me WANT to be a part of the skinning community.I was so hooked by the site and the people here that I felt it was a betrayal to the community not to buy it.


DITTO
you summed up my exact reasons for purchasing wb(the first purchase I made at stardock) and my exact reasons for staying and becoming part of this community.
think there's a bunch of us with a similar story.
Reply #34 Top
ooh.. cept I didn't have a hacked ver, mine was shareware...
Reply #36 Top
hmmm... I imagine it'd have to be edited for content, time consuming but if the person's wc login name were posted they'd possibly be more careful of how they worded their next document..

actually I think that'd be counter productive, the flame wars it'd start would consume the whole site.
better to ignore the hatemail completely
Reply #37 Top
I for one would love to see a hatemail gallery. I would read them all. Just make it so that nobody can comment on the hatemail they view there. This site which was made by some friends of mine has a hatemail gallery and I read it all the time. http://www.martinsvillesucks.com/
Reply #38 Top
Just make it so that nobody can comment


only glitch there is those who read the gallery would find ways of attacking the names listed here in msg board,...
names would have to be withheld and then people who like to write hatemail would have a new reason to send more, public viewing of their thoughts feeds them, if there's anonymity.
Reply #39 Top
Well you could take out names of who wrote them and email and such and put them in a sort of gallery type situation where everything is anonymous and the hatemail are randomly sorted so the reader never knows what they're going to find
Reply #40 Top
I suppose ,...
but still it would be feeding the trolls to put their words up in a gallery.
haven't met a troll yet that doesn't like to brag
Reply #41 Top
Well that much is true, but no matter what is done... the trolls will be fed regardless, I just think it might be nice to put a humorous side to the 'art of trolling' , so that people can laugh at how ridiculous some of their efforts can be.
Reply #43 Top
that was my thought on the matter as well,, looking at the ridiculous , and minimizing the hate spewed. just wasn't sure how great an idea it would be. but you're right someone will invariably feed the trolls.if they weren't fed, they'd become extinct.
Reply #44 Top
Froggles will never do such a thing.


to his credit of course.

but even if he did entertain the idea,
it would end up being another space hog and another library of sorts to keep track of, aside from the time consuming waste of actually reading the whole bunch of it and sorting it out prior to posting it.
Reply #45 Top
That is true... I have 75 mb of space that I pay for every month and 10 gig of data transfer that I would gladly use to put up a hate gallery... I don't use it for anything so it's just there.
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Reply #46 Top
hmm an offsite gallery..

still doesn't fix the waste of time filtering and sorting...
and wouldn't that open wc up to even more hate and trash mail?(unless it was made private unaccessible via search engine)
Reply #47 Top
Not sure about all that but I'd gladly give up that space at a moment's notice.
Reply #48 Top
cool
maybe frogboy will come up with something that could use the space.

I imagine there are others as well who have free webspace available.
I do but I think I have certain constrictions as to it's use.
Reply #49 Top

Public reposting of mail, hate or otherwise would be an invasion of privacy/confidentiality more often than not, so won't be happening anytime soon...

Censorship occurs [on rare occasion] on this board as it is to maintain decorum and [sometimes] to protect privacy.  A collection of hate/complaint emails displayed publicly would seriously undo that work...

Reply #50 Top

  Considering what hate does to people, I cant see reason for it to be available.  For some people it lights a burning spark of resentment that they just cannot put down.  There is enough of it in the world.  Instead of bridging differences it seems to intensify them, deepens the gulf, causes defensiveness and scars.  Directly and indirectly it harms people. 

I'm sorry anyone has to deal with it at all.