There seem to be a lot of nutters running around Europe at the moment. A couple of articles I've read lately have pointed out that (ultra) Right Wing Nationalism is growing throughout Europe, and support for such groups has been rising on places like Facebook, etc. If there's any credence to what these articles say, things are looking worse than I thought, and if left unchecked, a very bad part of History is maybe going to repeat itself.

Breivik was insane, the political leanings of a paranoid psychotic aren't particularly relevant, one boogie man will work as well as the next when they finally jump the boat.  Odds are the new guy is too.  We used to lock up people with mental problems that were a danger to others if they went off their meds, but that's just barbaric!  So now we wait for them to kill people first, and then we lock them up till they're back in balance to go repeat the cycle.

As the right wingers tend to be more in line with individual responsibility, as opposed to collectivism, they're really not the groups to be worried about.  When you're finished getting flushed down the swirly by your big spending compatriots in the EU triggering the next world depression, assuming us yanks don't beat them to it, you get to watch the left wingers riot and burn the world because their checks stop coming.

Ah yes, right wing people are all really nice people and the world would be a perfect place if they would run it, and left wing people are really just egocentric savages, held only in check getting things for free from the honest hard working right wingers. How the #$%^&^* do you arive at that point in a thread like this?

OT; I live close to belgium and visit it quite a lot. Scary to have something like that happen so close by. Although, thinking about it, stuff like this happens more often than you'd think, even in our part of the world..

Yes, nationalism is growing in Europe... when something go wrong, like the actual economic world crisis, people say that it is the fault of other, perfect growing ground for nationalism...

Problem is not really a political one but more about some people being crazy, individual becoming nuts... the place of so people are not outside or in jail but behind closed door in some mental institution...

Army can fight a war, police can fight criminal, gov can fight terrorism with some success... but who can protect us of people become crazy? 

About history... in the case of my country, we need to go back a lot of years for similar result... i remember long time ago the CCC  ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Combatant_Cells ) who was more a terrorist political group or the "tueurs fou du brabant" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nijvel_gang ) who was a thief organization... until now, i have always think that people going crazy like this happen mainly in US or in video game like "postal"...

If i look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres , Belgium is only listed in 1944 and 1945, during war time... well, soon, we will be the last entry of the list... i have always feel secure in my country... until today... i will not visit any christmas market these year... who know, there is maybe a other mad man lurking around...

There is nothing wrong with people from right or left... problem are with extremist... anarchism and communist for the left side or fascists or neo-nazis for the right...

Any way, in these case, it is not about war, not about terrorism, not about religion, not about politic... but it is more psychoak have wrote : a mad men... seem that more and more of them are walking our street...

Well, it is a other topic... and it is only the top of the iceberg... honour killing is very rare... what is really disgusting is that some people are obligated to marry somebody that they don't know... this is the real problem but nobody really care...

As for the "going postal" guy, it is the top of the iceberg too... in our modern society, there is more and more anti-social comportment, free violence again other, manifestation who turn in riot, young people who form gang and terrorize other,etc...

Fascism also incorporates many other elements that pull it towards the right end of the spectrum, so to speak. But the whole left-right spectrum is way to simplified to accurately place different political movements. And when people start equating it with the 'good vs evil' spectrum, that's where ugly situations start happening. Doesn't matter which side of the former spectrum you'd place yourself on.

There's no reason to stop doing that. If pretty soon there's a second, third, etc.. shooting (inspired by the previous), then it's a different story. But the chance of getting killed in a terrorist attack (yes, technically this wasn't one, but the effect is the same) is very, very small. You're more likely to get hit by lightning or slip and break your neck while under the shower, but we don't stop going outside or taking showers (I hope ). Best thing to do is just to live your life normally and not live in fear.

Thankyou for that.

Another sad day caused by yet another lunatic.

Probably 'wise' to disassociate corelation between soldiers at war and what happened in Belgium.

If for no other reason than to avoid the inevitable [and justified] flaming which will result in site membership adjustments.

Well, i am a ex from the Royal Navy... have make one golf war, one Somalia war, two Yougoslavia war... in 9 year of service, i have only kill one time, it was in Somalia when a men was trying to hurt a kid after having kill the kid's mother with a machete... during the golf war, we were escorting our ship who was removing sea mines... during the two Yougoslavia war, we was boarding any ship for check the cargo, it was about a embargo on weapons/fuel/ammunition...

Recently, Belgium have provide air support in Lybia, when people have choice to revolt and fight for their freedom...

The thing that i am the more proud is our army being members of the B-FAST team ( http://b-fast.diplomatie.be/node/4 )... army participation go from bridge building, setup camp for refugies, build school/hospital, use c-130 for drop food in place that truck cannot reach, etc...

Point is that any modern army save more live that they kill...

Well, there is only a few way to be able own weapons in Belgium...

First, you can have the collector status... problem is that your weapons need to remain home...

Second, you have the sport shooter... weapons can only be outside your home when you go the the shooting place... weapons in the back of your car, ammunition at the front...

Third, very difficult to obtain, you can have a "port d'armes"... mainly issued for security service people and other similar job...

Anyway, the solution is not being able to shoot back in a similar case... need to find a way that similar case never happen again...

If i believe in statistic, the more dangerous place is called a "bed"... it is where the majority of people die...

About odds, try to explain this to the family of the 17yo and 15yo kid or to the family of the 17 month baby... i am over 40's and i have already enjoy plenty of the life... these young victim was only to the beginning of their live...

What about mothers and doctors who Murder babies every day and call it Abortion!!!

I'm actually pro-choice, i just thought that would be another ridiculous statement to add to this thread.  Really people, calling what soldiers do murder, or bringing right wing vs left wing bullshit into this topic?  Get your priorities straight and realize not every fucking thing that happens in this world is about your nonsensical political views.

I'm very sorry to hear about this tragedy.  4 people died.  Two young men, an elderly lady, and a baby.  That's what matters.  

The last sentence in your post would have sufficed...